Less protein needed on a clean bulk?

[Squat200]

The common consent is that if you clean bulk then you don't add muscle mass as quickly as if you dirty bulk. With this in mind I'm wondering what my protein ratio should be because I'm looking to bulk without adding any excess fat if possible.
My thinking is this: if I build muscle more slowly than I did when I dirty bulked then I will only need 1 gram per pound of LBM as opposed to the 1.5 grams per LBM that I was on when I did a dirty bulk. But this is just my uninformed opinion.
Advice please?

[strawser9]

the correct concept is

If you are eating the proper foods, in the right ratio...you will gain as much muscle as possible!

Don't buy into people's bullshit. A dirty bulk does not create more muscle, and in fact can lead to less muscle gain. Its quite simple, the less fat on your body the more anabolic your body is(to an extent). the Higher your BF, the more likely your body is to turn excess calories into fat...whether they are from too much protien, fat, or carbs.

There is a certain point in which excess calories just build up as fat...find that point, eat just under it, watch yourself grow!

the other advantage to eating clean year round? LESS fat to lose in the long run. You'll build more muscle eating 2 rib-eye steaks per day than eating mickey d's 2x per day!

Protein consumption should stay the same regardless of a cut or bulk, dirty or clean. the difference? ADD MORE CARBS! oats, brown rice, sweet potatoes, etc. aim to stay within 1.25-1.75g(protein) per lb. of bodyweight...if you happen to get a little more, oh well...a little less? EAT MORE lol! the amount of carbs really depends on what you're doing. for a bulk, around 2x your bodyweight...cutting, either 1g or less x bodyweight, or cycle. 2 HIGH, 3 medium, 2 low in an order allowing you to eat maximum carbs on your heaviest days.

too many calories and you're body will not use them(except for fat storage)! be efficient, there are plenty of calculators to figure this out...to give you an average, then you play with those numbers until you find what works for you!

eat clean all the time! just more or less of it depending on your goals.

[Critical Mass]

When you get into specialty diets like the one you want to start, you get into a realm where your body kind of has the steering wheel. We understand how the body reacts when carbs and fat are in the equation, but when you take them away, your own metabolism dictates how the protein you eat will be metabolized. Some people have very forgiving bodies. Some people's bodies burns the food so fast that their muscle bellies become flat and they look like spongebob squarepants.

With that said, I think that 1 gr. per lb. of bodyweight would be a good place to start. Because of the carb deficit, you run a risk of becoming flat. If that happens, increase your carbs slightly, and your protein by 50%. This may help to keep muscle bellies full, glycogen levels up, energy levels stable, and nitrogen levels closer to positive. You need a positive nitrogen level in your muscles to gain.

What you attempt is not easy. It will take a while. But you wont do much damage at all by keeping your protein count high. It can only help.

[wala]

Nice answers guys.

Eating clean and correct FTW!

[Striker]

Originally Posted by strawser9

the correct concept is

If you are eating the proper foods, in the right ratio...you will gain as much muscle as possible!

Don't buy into people's bullshit. A dirty bulk does not create more muscle, and in fact can lead to less muscle gain. Its quite simple, the less fat on your body the more anabolic your body is(to an extent). the Higher your BF, the more likely your body is to turn excess calories into fat...whether they are from too much protien, fat, or carbs.

There is a certain point in which excess calories just build up as fat...find that point, eat just under it, watch yourself grow!

the other advantage to eating clean year round? LESS fat to lose in the long run. You'll build more muscle eating 2 rib-eye steaks per day than eating mickey d's 2x per day!

Protein consumption should stay the same regardless of a cut or bulk, dirty or clean. the difference? ADD MORE CARBS! oats, brown rice, sweet potatoes, etc. aim to stay within 1.25-1.75g(protein) per lb. of bodyweight...if you happen to get a little more, oh well...a little less? EAT MORE lol! the amount of carbs really depends on what you're doing. for a bulk, around 2x your bodyweight...cutting, either 1g or less x bodyweight, or cycle. 2 HIGH, 3 medium, 2 low in an order allowing you to eat maximum carbs on your heaviest days.

too many calories and you're body will not use them(except for fat storage)! be efficient, there are plenty of calculators to figure this out...to give you an average, then you play with those numbers until you find what works for you!

eat clean all the time! just more or less of it depending on your goals.