Nurtition POP Quiz

[Big Guns]

OK PEOPLE LISTEN UP

Pop Quiz:
1) Too much of what Macro Nutrient will"most easily" make you fat?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

2) What is the most important nutrient one needs to keep high to maintain muscle?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

3) What would want to cut least if you were lowering calories?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

4) What is needed for healthy skin, maintaining Test levels and a "long" term energy source?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

5) Which nutrient will never convert into fat? It is either used or disposed of.
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

6) An insulin spike can cause a fat storage effect. Too much of which nutrient will "spike" your insulin causing fat storage?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

OK....I hope after this quiz you will have a grasp on what you need to cut 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for "cutting". I need you to do some reading, research, etc. so that you will learn what to do for yourseves.
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[Big Guns]

From Striker

Pop Quiz:
1) Too much of "what" will make you fat?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat even though i wanna say carbs

2) What is the most important nutrient one needs to keep high to maintain muscle?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

3) What would want to cut least if you were lowering calories?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

4) What is needed for healthy skin, maintaining Test levels and a "long" term energy source?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

5) Which nutrient will never convert into fat? It is either used or disposed of.
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

6) An insulin spike can cause a fat storage effect. Too much of which nutrient will "spike" your insulin causing fat storage?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat


how did i do mr.bg

[Big Guns]

From Strawser
4/6
won't tell ya which one's though...give other people a crack at gun's test

[sdb]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

OK PEOPLE LISTEN UP

Pop Quiz:
1) Too much of what Macro Nutrient will"most easily" make you fat?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

2) What is the most important nutrient one needs to keep high to maintain muscle?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

3) What would want to cut least if you were lowering calories?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

4) What is needed for healthy skin, maintaining Test levels and a "long" term energy source?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

5) Which nutrient will never convert into fat? It is either used or disposed of.
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

6) An insulin spike can cause a fat storage effect. Too much of which nutrient will "spike" your insulin causing fat storage?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat

OK....I hope after this quiz you will have a grasp on what you need to cut 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for "cutting". I need you to do some reading, research, etc. so that you will learn what to do for yourseves.
__________________

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[sdb]

very good quiz BG!!

"you must spread rep....."

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

OK PEOPLE LISTEN UP

Pop Quiz:
1) Too much of what Macro Nutrient will"most easily" make you fat?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
Carbs, most notably simple or refined sugars, which do so by promoting an insulin response which shuttles blood glucose into adipose tissue for storage.
Insulin is a simple protein in which two polypeptide chains of amino acids are joined by disulfide linkages. Insulin helps transfer glucose into cells so that they can oxidize the glucose to produce energy for the body. In adipose (fat) tissue, insulin facilitates the storage of glucose and its conversion to fatty acids. Insulin also slows the breakdown of fatty acids. In muscle it promotes the uptake of amino acids for making proteins. In the liver it helps convert glucose into glycogen (the storage carbohydrate of animals) and it decreases gluconeogenesis (the formation of glucose from noncarbohydrate sources). The action of insulin is opposed by glucagon, another pancreatic hormone, and by epinephrine

2) What is the most important nutrient one needs to keep high to maintain muscle?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
All of the above. The first natural bodybuilders didn't obey these '2g of protein per lb BW' rules that are going around these days, and they looked great.

3) What would want to cut least if you were lowering calories?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
Protein and fat, although the question is misleading.

4) What is needed for healthy skin, maintaining Test levels and a "long" term energy source?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
Fat

5) Which nutrient will never convert into fat? It is either used or disposed of.
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
None of the above. Im sure non-scientists will say protein with absolute conviction, however dont' forget that the body has evolved over thousands of years to maintain optimum blood glucose levels for activity, therefore if no carbs are available to make glucose and glycogen, then the body can also use protein. This process is called gluconeogenesis and is less efficient using protein, however don't ever think you can eat as much protein as you like and not get fat

6) An insulin spike can cause a fat storage effect. Too much of which nutrient will "spike" your insulin causing fat storage?
a) Protein
b) Carbs
c) Fat
Carbs, as explained in Q1


OK....I hope after this quiz you will have a grasp on what you need to cut 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for "cutting". I need you to do some reading, research, etc. so that you will learn what to do for yourseves.
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I don't think this 'quiz' really teaches people anything. If anything it simplifies the science behind diet and nutrition. Any dietitians reading this will keel over

The human body is a very complex machine which uses all its resources to maintain a dynamic equilibrium. Believing that one macronutrient is better than others for certain things is simply nonsensical. All three have their part to play.

All this is IMO, of course

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MOD FIGHT!!!!!

[Big Guns]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't think this 'quiz' really teaches people anything. If anything it simplifies the science behind diet and nutrition. Any dietitians reading this will keel over

The human body is a very complex machine which uses all its resources to maintain a dynamic equilibrium. Believing that one macronutrient is better than others for certain things is simply nonsensical. All three have their part to play.

All this is IMO, of course

Well I have yet to meet a Dietician that knew their a$$ from their elbow. They rank up w/ Drs. IMO when it comes to building muscle. Protein as a food CANNOT convert into fat. Don't know where you may have heard different. Ask a PhD Chemist. Muscle/protein can be used as energy like the Essential Aminos. No one gets fat from too much protein. it cannot be stored. It would have to be converted into a sugar then converted into fat.

Nice cut and past on Q1. Q2 is protein> carbs/fat do not make muscle which is basically protein. Q3 is protein you will cut fat before you EVER cut protein.
Q4 is right Q5 again ask a Scientist. A real scientist not your teacher.

As all opinions go...everyone has one and they are usually full of Sh!t

[Big Guns]

The MAIN point of the thread was to give quick outline as to what one needs to do to keep the muscle they have while dieting or how to gain weight. It was in response to the number of questions of "how do I do that". No offense Sam. I just find dieticians a contribution to global warming!!! LOL

[Joeflex73]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Well I have yet to meet a Dietician that knew their a$$ from their elbow. They rank up w/ Drs. IMO when it comes to building muscle. Protein as a food CANNOT convert into fat. Don't know where you may have heard different. Ask a PhD Chemist. Muscle/protein can be used as energy like the Essential Aminos. No one gets fat from too much protein. it cannot be stored. It would have to be converted into a sugar then converted into fat.

Nice cut and past on Q1. Q2 is protein> carbs/fat do not make muscle which is basically protein. Q3 is protein you will cut fat before you EVER cut protein.
Q4 is right Q5 again ask a Scientist. A real scientist not your teacher.

As all opinions go...everyone has one and they are usually full of Sh!t

As someone who went to school for Dietetics....I agree. They strictly listen to what the AHA says and dont think outside the box for jack shit. I learned some good things in class, and there was a LOT I just put down what I knew they wanted to hear so Id pass.

I remember 1 professor using my diet as a poor example of eating (I was on a bulk) because the 346g of protein I averaged for the week was going to ruin my kidneys before I was 21. Theyd also contradict each other, and were very set in their ways. Im sure theyd cringe at my keto like cut that Im on.

[EricT]

Any excess calories can contribute to fat storage. Excess protein that is not used by the body for tissue repair, etc can be converted to fuel via gluconeogenesis. In fact, it has been estimated that 100 grams of liver or body protein has the potential to produce 60 grams of glucose (read potentially and approximately).

If there is fuel in excess then it is always possible for it to be stored as fat no matter what the macronutrient source.

What are your sources for the statements to the contrary? Certainly not food chemistry. Protein has caloric value. 4 calories a gram. Excess calories can lead to fat gain.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Well I have yet to meet a Dietician that knew their a$$ from their elbow. They rank up w/ Drs. IMO when it comes to building muscle. Protein as a food CANNOT convert into fat. Don't know where you may have heard different. Ask a PhD Chemist. Muscle/protein can be used as energy like the Essential Aminos. No one gets fat from too much protein. it cannot be stored. It would have to be converted into a sugar then converted into fat.

ooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy...

I'm finding it a bit difficult not to take this post as offensive, however i can see you're just trying to help people who may not know any better.

First of all, where is your info coming from? You say that no-one gets fat from eating too much protein but that simply is not true. As Eric also pointed out, and i mentioned earlier, dietary protein (not muscle/protein) is broken down when needed to provide glucose to stabilise blood sugar levels in times of need (for example when on a low/no carb diet). As you know, glucose is stored as muscle glycogen to provide fuel for exercise but glucose can also be converted into fat - so dietary protein can be converted to fat, without a doubt it is an inefficient process but it does happen. Therefore your statement is false. You don't know where i may have heard different?? ... em ... maybe 7 years at uni might have taught me something, otherwise i just wasted my time and money.

So, what next? Oh yeah. What would someone with a PhD in Chemistry know about protein in food and its metabolism in the body? Do you mean perhaps a PhD in Biochemistry? Could that be what im studying??

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Nice cut and past on Q1.

Thanks very much. Get ready, im about to do it again.

Im guilty of cutting and pasting, but it doesn't make the information any less valuable or accurate.

''It is also possible for fat cells to take up glucose and amino acids, which have been absorbed into the bloodstream after a meal, and convert those into fat molecules. The conversion of carbohydrates or protein into fat is 10 times less efficient than simply storing fat in a fat cell, but the body can do it. If you have 100 extra calories in fat (about 11 grams) floating in your bloodstream, fat cells can store it using only 2.5 calories of energy. On the other hand, if you have 100 extra calories in glucose (about 25 grams) floating in your bloodstream, it takes 23 calories of energy to convert the glucose into fat and then store it. Given a choice, a fat cell will grab the fat and store it rather than the carbohydrates because fat is so much easier to store''

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Q2 is protein> carbs/fat do not make muscle which is basically protein.

Sorry, what?

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Q3 is protein you will cut fat before you EVER cut protein.

In your opinion. Can i have an opinion too? As i said before, all my opinions were just that. Except the ones that were based on fact.

Originally Posted by Big Guns

Q4 is right Q5 again ask a Scientist.

We've been over Q5. 'Ask a scientist' huh? Well, i asked myself ... and i agreed.

Originally Posted by Big Guns

A real scientist not your teacher.

Where's the need for that?? Really though. Don't look down your nose at me. At least i check my facts before being made to look a fool in front of everyone.

Oh and of course ...no offense at anything i just said.

[Big Guns]

WELL...... I have done some research and DAMMIT I WAS WRONG....I hate that. Protein can be stored as fat in a long about way. I am Wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Guns
Q2 is protein> carbs/fat do not make muscle which is basically protein.


Sorry, what?

What I am trying to say is Protein is what builds the muscle. Carbs and fat will provide the energy, but w/o protein one will not build muscle.

Proteins and diets
Many weight loss strategies place emphasis on increasing the amount of protein in the diet relative to carbohydrates in order to lose weight quickly. Although it is true that amino acids cannot be directly converted to fatty acids and that some amino acids can only form ketone bodies, excess amounts can still be converted to fat when the energy level of the body is high. But high protein diets may create more serious problems. As the body begins to deplete its supply of glucose, it begins to look elsewhere for energy sources. Levels of glucagon and epinephrine increase, stimulating the release of fatty acids into the bloodstream. The breakdown of glucogenicamino acids begin to supplement the supply of glucose in the bloodstream to keep the brain and skeletal muscle functioning properly. Dietary proteins can contribute to gluconeogenesis under these conditions. Amino acids that are normally used in the building and maintenance of body tissues under conditions of adequate carbohydrate intake must now be used to meet the energy requirements of the body. This causes further protein breakdown in tissues such as the heart, skeletal muscle, and other vital organs. Meanwhile, the decrease in blood glucose creates a condition known as ketosis, or the incomplete breakdown of fats. Without sufficient oxaloacetate being produced from glucose, the Krebs Cycle cannot continue, and further metabolism at this point is thwarted. Acetyl CoA units thatare the breakdown products of fatty acids and proteins can only be converted into ketone bodies, which at high concentrations create acidic, toxic conditions for the body. Further glucogenic protein must be broken down from body tissue to produce increasingly scarce supplies of oxaloacetate. Ironically, the dieter thinks the diet is working because he or she is losing weight. Although some of the weight loss may come from adipose tissue, the majority of weight loss comes from skeletal muscle and vital organs.

Nice fight though...you 2 win. I wasn't trying to put you down, I was mis informed by someone I trusted dearly. See even at MY age you can learn some new stuff. Just full of myself today I guess. It's good to be pput in my place. Now let's get back to business.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Big Guns

WELL...... I have done some research and DAMMIT I WAS WRONG....I hate that. Protein can be stored as fat in a long about way. I am Wrong.

Nice fight though...you 2 win. I wasn't trying to put you down, I was mis informed by someone I trusted dearly. See even at MY age you can learn some new stuff. Just full of myself today I guess. It's good to be pput in my place. Now let's get back to business.

No problem. I hate being wrong too. Its just that i normally check that im right first

I hope everyone has learned something they didn't know about macronutrients in the diet - which they should have done from this debate. If they did then you have achieved what you set out to do, which was make people think for themselves instead of just doing what other people tell them. And that's a good thing